[deathwaltz]

Stumpy I have no idea when I stated we would be doing random variants ... I have always been against that & always will..

Also without being pedantic thousands of people supported DW since day one from all over the world , some buy online some buy in stores. You have always had the chance to do either. Some are on the forum , most are not.

Mondo bought DW , Mondo are in the USA , records ship from the USA. I can't belive the outrage over something that doesn't really affect much in the grand scheme of things, ROM will still get DW product to sell to places like Normans, Rough Trade etc at EXACTLY THE SAME PRICES.

How have I been economical with the truth ? I come here and am always honest and upfront , I stick around when the going gets tough and swim through the abuse hurled at me by some members here. I don't just pop in to post a press release or tell you I have something to sell , I try and offer up advice share finds and engage as much as I can.

Frankly your attitude is shocking , I have always released records for myself and if others enjoy them then that is brilliant, I come at everything from a fans point of view and bend over backwards to make sure what I release is not only great quality but available to all (Our back cat is always in print when the deal allows it and not many labels can say that )

[fluppeco]

I think all here are very passionate about DW product, I think it's human for people some more others less to act out and type some sharp and hars words when a hurdle is about to be placed in front of something they enjoy spoiling themselves with and are passionate about. I'm sure these and also my reaction is just in the heath of the moment. Please Spencer don't be shocked or feel offended.

[Whip Wilson]

Jesus Christ.

[The Cult Leader]

Way too much assuming going on. None of you know exactly how this is going to pan out in the end, so quit getting all worked up over something that in reality is going to be amazing for EVERYONE.
Its been said time and time again that Europe will have distribution for all new releases. I have never seen Spencer say that deluxe versions will be something exclusive to the U.S.


ROM will still get DW product to sell to places like Normans, Rough Trade etc at EXACTLY THE SAME PRICES.

I don't see what the problem is...

[chandler75]

ROM will still get DW product to sell to places like Normans, Rough Trade etc at EXACTLY THE SAME PRICES.

I don’t see what the problem is…

But I don't think those are the deluxe editions with liner notes etc?

Seb said: EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT and these beauties will be easier to get allover the globe!

I hope you know something that we don't

[jgibbs4053]

Soo Stumpy everyone wants to know how much are you selling your collection for?

[liftman2013]

The problem that sparked this is shipping costs for deluxe exclusive editions, moving from the UK from where DW used to be to the US where they will be

The issue now has an answer. We have to accept that and deal with it appropriately.

It doesnt undermine what is coming which im sure is some fantastic things

Im not continuing the add commemts here to esculate the debate just that ive got time at mo to read the above and add to it

Yes the non deluxe are available eslewhere at a cheaper cost but the fact is... some of us want the best and will feel disappointed if they slip through fingers due to bigger costs

If thats the price to pay for this merger so be it. Either way its the cards on the table so deal with it

[Purplemule74]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not an expert in the field of audio technology/sales. I don't know much about all it takes to actually get music from musician's audio equipment into my hands.

What I'm pretty sure of is it takes a hell of a lot of work, especially for labels that are relatively small.

I'm sure I don't have the time or dedication to spend scour years of output from film or otherwise to cherry pick some fine music for people to enjoy.

People seem to be losing perspective on the fact that some of these releases have never been available before in any official format, some are financially absurd to purchase otherwise (Example: $500 for 30 year old vinyl anyone?), and DW, OWS and others are providing some pretty damn fine packaging to contain these audio treasures.

So people are bitching because they have to pay more in shipping? Are you kidding?

Many local record shops are more than willing to order records for you - meaning all you've got to do is drive down to the shop to pick up the record. OMG, you've got to spend $2.50 to drive to the record store. Cats and dogs are surely going to start living together, total chaos.

Many shops are willing to ship from their shop to you - which is obviously cheaper once it is in country.

If the added costs of shipping are still too much for you, get the hell out.

Being able to purchase records is a luxury for someone that is financially secure, not a God given right enshrined in natural law. I myself cannot afford every release; I have to budget appropriately. I'm not going to post in the forum my complaints because I can't afford something. Have some personal integrity and dignity about your personal finances.

I would also note that we should be appreciative that DW, OWS and others are willing to have a personal presence on these boards. They could be the nameless, faceless drones of record producers like CBS. They want to share their passion for records with us, the record buying public. While you can voice concern, at least do it with some tact and class.

[dahousen]

Ridiculous...

Spencer, I'm very excited for the deal, and most of the people who support the label hope seeing DW grow and grow and grow and become in what Varèse used to be in 70'-80', If not a much more special thing. Well, I think it already is!
Best wishes.

[MODAREC]

I don't think anyone is moaning about the lack of hard work, effort and passion Spencer has put in to his label. I'm disappointed there seems to be no UK/European distribution for the deluxe editions that's all. When DW was based in the UK, LITA carried most of the deluxe editions to cater for the US, so myself and others were hoping the reverse would be in place in 2015. Christ, it's not the end if the world and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Certainly won't be boycotting Death Waltz either like Stumpy, just means I will be buying less deluxe editions than I would like.
Would be nice to know if the forthcoming 7" will also be the final part of sub 4, maybe just a different colour.

[philball1974]

Would you really sell a DW record collection based on the fact you don't like progress?

Way I see it is Spencer built a company selling stuff that the market has blown up for. With Mondo buying DW they can grow what they offer the market and become more successful.

Now knowing that Spencer is a fans fan and is in charge of securing deals and getting the music you can be damn sure that for every gripe about p&p were going to see some incredible releaes!

[dumaisaudio]

I'd like to know about the 7" as well. I know Spencer likes to keep the bonus item of the subscription secret, but it would be good to know about that before we all try to buy this on Tuesday, finding out later that we're already getting it or a variation of it. I'm assuming it's not the bonus gift, as I think it was referred to back when Sub 4 went on sale as a dance remix 12", but anyway.

I think the thing to remember is that we're all passionate about DW, otherwise we wouldn't spending time posting on an internet forum about it. And because we're passionate, most of us want the best versions of a release that are available. I take Spencer at his word, and agree that dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria aren't impending. But it is hard to ignore what has happened in the past with regards to Mondo drops and the eBay culture that fuels, so those concerns are valid, and I'm sorry if that offends you.

[oaxaca]

I'm safe as I like to buy from my local brick and mortar stores and record fairs where possible, as much as I like bargain hunting online I'm not sure it matches the thrill of finding a few records you wanted and some you didn't even know you wanted and getting to take them home with you there and then. As far as I'm concerned Spencer's catered for this by ensuring a UK distributor will be stocking UK retailers as well as e-tailers.

I remember finding out about Death Waltz a few years back now by visiting my local store. I bought 4 or 5 DW records, took them home and loved them. I then found the DW site, noticed they were doing these awesome colour variants and was a bit bummed I hadn't bought these versions off the site. Anyway I shot Spencer an email on the off chance and he offered to exchange the ones I'd bought in the shop with those variants off his website as a favour. Now THAT is customer service. He cares about his customers!

So its sad to lose a UK-based indie record label, but its a sacrifice that will work out for the best in the long term surely, due to more choice, bigger quantities of records produced hence greater availability and ultimately more soundtrack releases on vinyl from the DW-Mondo merge. Also, its not like DW are/were the only UK record label, MotionSound and Invada are just 2 that are putting out great stuff!

Shipping prices suck but it will make those deluxe edits all the more exclusive and, well, deluxe. And for those happy with the standard versions, they'll be widely available. And lets face it, Mondo is also an innovative label dedicated to soundtracks, commissioning new artwork and producing a quality package so the two companies were made for each other really.

Roll on Tuesday!

[philball1974]

I guess for all those that don't like Spencer or what he has done you should do what he did and start a record label, that way you could get the best titles an the best variants and sell you products around the globe in solid metal boxes whilst not charging for p&p.

But don't forget when you've done all that make sure you check back here often so people can tell you what a dick you are for using the wrong metal in your packaging,

[dumaisaudio]

There's obviously a big difference between people bringing up their concerns and opinions about certain things, and personal attacks on Spencer. I would like to think that as adults, we can speak our minds here in a civil manner without it all being called a personal attack on someone.

[Hatter313]

So....did everybody just miss the bit where spencer intimated that he's doing away with random inserts....which, if I read between the lines there, will go a long way to pulling the rug out from under the "aspirins" feet. How about we see what happens, but so far it looks like:

Increased print runs

No more random color inserts (or perhaps even selectability like the batman die cut was)

More resources for cooler and more varied releases

A customer service department that isn't the overworked owner of the label wasting time answering our questions instead of signing and improving the label, but a dedicated staff

A now international company made up of geeks and collectors that want to make even more cool stuff for us to buy

....sorry, That looks like a pretty solid start right there.

Thrill me

[oaxaca]

In total agreement Tom. Night of the Creeps, now there's a soundtrack deserving of a Mondo release!

[Pitch]

I liked the special relationship sure - but we've both moved on. Still gonna be friends and all that!

Frankly I'm glad I can go back to buying releases on their single merit and not as job lots. I enjoyed the feeling of being in a club - I felt privileged to receive a special edition and special attention. But all cosy affairs come to an end sometime.

The reason I bought in to DW was it was local. It was set up by the guy who sold me records at Rough Trade. I liked the idea of supporting a cottage industry, of helping someone turn a hobby, passion and dream into a reality. All subscribers should feel proud that they have supported something that has become successful enough for a bigger fish to purchase it. And I'm sure they've bought into it, rather than just bought it.

I am looking forward to the 2015 releases - I'm sure I will buy quite a few of them. I will not bother with all the silly fighting for exclusive colours etc - never what I was after anyway. I will enjoy supporting my local stores, and an occasional trip to Margate.

I still have my subscription to the wonderful OWS - and the chance to supplement their great releases with an expanded DW selection in 2015. All good.

[Peek-a-boo]

I did some research on Mondo cos I've never bought anything from them. its not my thing...

[Peek-a-boo]

I kind of feel the same as @Pitch I totally bought into the ethos of Death Waltz. But I like to make a good wage, which is why I don't work in the music industry...

[oaxaca]

Nah don't agree at all. Sure they have their fingers in several pies (art, VHS, toys, etc) but its all done for the love of cinema from what I can see. And you can't argue with some of their soundtrack releases. THE VISITOR was an AMAZING release. And they've released Fulci's CAT IN THE BRAIN for christ sake. For these 2 releases alone they deserve total respect. And signing up Spencer tells you they are serious about their commitment to putting out quality soundtracks on vinyl.

[Peek-a-boo]

@oaxaca I think Death Waltz also appealed to the people like myself who are not soundtrack/film fanatics. If my only interest was soundtrack, then I'd probably be buzzing.

[Pitch]

[quote=46622]Nah don’t agree at all. Sure they have their fingers in several pies (art, VHS, toys, etc) but its all done for the love of cinema from what I can see. And you can’t argue with some of their soundtrack releases. THE VISITOR was an AMAZING release. And they’ve released Fulci’s CAT IN THE BRAIN for christ sake. For these 2 releases alone they deserve total respect. And signing up Spencer tells you they are serious about their commitment to putting out quality soundtracks on vinyl.[/quote]

Not sure what you're not agreeing with - but I agree with you. Those are both great releases..... and it was difficult to locate a copy in the UK of either. So glad it will be easier in 2015. Personally I wish Finders Keepers had joined forces with DW, then we could forget about all the exclusives and silly colours and just buy nice black vinyl of great music and not have a niggling regret about having missed out on another rarer version! As long as all DW releases make it to the UK in some format I'm happy!

Sometime I think this site should be renamed spinthecrazycolourwaycircles.com

[oaxaca]

@Peek-a-boo: That's fair enough though has confused me a bit as Death Waltz's sole focus was releasing film soundtracks, so if you're not into them so much I don't really get what appeal DW holds?

@Pitch: Yeh, if this merger makes it easier (and cheaper) to get hold of current and future Mondo releases here in the UK it can only be a good thing. And an FK-DW merge would have been interesting although it may have gone the other way to what you said and we may have ended up with several colour variants of Fascination, All the Colours of the Dark, Possession, etc! :p

[deafmetal]

In Spencer I trust.